Destination Manifestation

The Creative Mind with Matt Turner of BB24 and Plant Based Furniture

Brittany Hoopes Episode 29

#029 - Have you ever found yourself wondering how you can turn your creative dreams into tangible success? Join me, Brittany Hoopes, and special guest Turner from Big Brother 24, as we unravel the power of manifestation and the mindset that propels artists and entrepreneurs towards their dreams. This episode isn't just a walk down memory lane of our reality TV escapades; it's a deep dive into how individuality, risk-taking, and self-belief shape the trajectory of most creative endeavors. Turner shares stories about his evolution from making YouTube videos as a kid to his life now as a professional influencer, and so much more.

Manifesting your dreams isn't a solo journey; it's an intricate dance of personal branding, adaptation, and the courage to step into new roles. We dissect the emotional rollercoaster that is releasing content into the world, the anxiety mixed with the thrill of taking risks, and the profound impact of hitting rock bottom as a catalyst for change. Turner and I peel back the layers of our experiences, from embracing one's unique style to tackling the 'what if' game with a mindset geared for success. We reflect on how our participation in Big Brother reshaped our approach to relationships and personal branding.

Ready to bet on yourself? This episode is jam-packed with the wisdom and heart to fuel that leap. We delve into the importance of authenticity in everything from crafting furniture to shaping an online presence that resonates with who you are. As we wave goodbye to the chapter that Big Brother played in our lives, we embrace the creativity and inspiration that continue to drive our lives forward. Whether you're crafting your personal brand or simply seeking the motivation to embrace life's chapters, this conversation promises to inspire a belief in the beauty of growth, creativity, and the boundless potential within us all.

LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
- Turner on Instagram
- Concrete Table Reel that Turner Made
- 100 T Lough

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Speaker 1:

I'd like you to imagine your dream life, See the version of you who has what you want to have, feels how you want to feel and is who you want to be. I'm Brittany Hoops, your hypnotherapist and manifestation coach, and this is the show where I'll teach you to master the full power of your mind to guide you on your journey towards destination manifestation.

Speaker 3:

Alright. This is Destination Manifestation, a podcast about using the power of your mind to manifest your dream life. We have stories, lessons, exercises, guided visualizations and conversations designed to help you align with your goals, hosted by me, brittany Hoops. How are you guys doing? Welcome welcome, I must say, if you're already subscribed to the show. Thank you so much. I feel like you guys have been reaching out to me more on Instagram recently and telling me about how you enjoy the show, and I want you to just. I really hope that you view this show as having your little manifesti-vesti in your pocket or in your earbuds or wherever it might be, and I'm just hanging out with you, just helping you reach your goals, become who you want to be, and so I'm so thankful for those of you who are subscribed and will continue to be. Today, guys, I am so excited. If you know me or I'll even say this, if you first discovered me through Big Brother 24 a few summers ago whenever that might have been you might be a little surprised, if not downright shocked, at who I have here on the show today. Okay, well, there's a few people I think you'd be more surprised about, but it's someone who I'm actually very proud to call a real life friend, and that is Turner from Big Brother 24. That's right, we have Matt Turner. You might know him as one of my fellow Leftovers Alliance members. You might know him as the person who put me on the block every single time he was HOH. You might know him or have discovered him online through one of his amazing furniture making or rug-tuffing videos, as he is the creator of plant-based furniture. So, regardless of how you know him, or if you know him, if you're a creative or if you're a business owner wondering what is the kind of mindset that it takes to be a real successful professional doing what you love in a creative field, you are going to freaking love this conversation with Turner and I just want you to kind of and this is what I did as I re-listened to the conversation and even as I was conducting it or we were having it I wasn't conducting it, we were having a conversation is I kind of almost like watched it from like a third-party perspective, because it's just beautiful to see how his mind works, because I don't know if he realizes it. I don't think he does. Turner hear me now, but he thinks differently than a lot of people, at least a lot of people that I work with clients, and it's in such a beautiful way, like he has this deep-seated belief in himself, belief in his dreams, that is just so beautiful to witness and there's a lot that we can all learn from just seeing that in action. And so I want you to like that would be kind of my recommendation on how to digest this episode is just see the way and how he thinks about things. That comes pretty naturally to him that we could all learn from as we apply it to our own manifestations. Okay, and we're going to freaking love what Turner has to share today. Seriously, I'm not exaggerating here.

Speaker 3:

I think Turner might be one of the most interesting people that I personally know.

Speaker 3:

Like we used to joke back in the Big Brother House that you could literally talk about any subject.

Speaker 3:

I mean, you could be talking about anything. You could freaking be talking about goats, okay, and Turner would just like, out of nowhere, just kind of be like he would like wake up out of a stupor and he'd just be like, oh yeah, that reminds me of that time that I got caught in a monsoon on the top of a mountain and a pack of goats chased me for 14 miles through the mud, like I don't know I'm making this up or maybe it is a story, I don't know, but it's just like you look at him and you'd be like what? Like seriously, this guy has lived more in his life in 24 years than most people do in an entire lifetime. Okay, but you'll love this episode if you want to sneak peak, like I said before, into the mindset of what it takes to be a professional creative. Plus, I would say that we dive into some never before shared stories about our big brother days, which you might find interesting if you're a fan of the show Turner.

Speaker 2:

Brittany Imagine us.

Speaker 3:

I'm not going to say two years ago, because we didn't know each other two years ago. But, let's say a year and a half ago. Would we ever think this would be happening right now?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, if somehow secretly, sid came down from the rafters like hey, just so you know, a year and a half you guys are going to be besties. You're going to be up in Brittany on TikTok live all the time, I'd be like you must be nuts because there's no chance. But like I'm literally so excited to be here talking to you and we've had so many good conversations Even since. I feel like we really hit our breaking point as close friends August when the big brother premiere happened. We talked for hours and then Megan and Stephen were like all right, are they going to wrap this up anytime soon?

Speaker 3:

Stephen's like you literally dragged me here and all you're doing is talking to Turner here.

Speaker 2:

And so I mean ever since then. I feel like we've made great strides and like I respect you so much and I consider you such a good friend, so I'm really happy to be here.

Speaker 3:

I feel exactly the same way and that makes so freaking happy because I don't know, I remember you know not to like rehash old things, but I remember that was one thing that I was kind of bummed about it with getting outside the house, like I knew we were did not see eye to eye a lot, game wise, but you know, and you and I talked about it, we don't need to go into it. But like you know, I was kind of bummed, like I was like, oh man, I could really see being good friends with Turner outside this environment, and then I was nervous about that.

Speaker 2:

But then wouldn't, you know, it is like that's what it ended up being, and so of course, like if I could call Jasmine a close friend of mine, then quite literally anything is possible. And, like I was just telling you, there's like there's so many moments where in the moment, I was like just I was honestly just so annoying and like nihilistic about stuff. Like when we were making shirts together I was like I would rather do anything than making shirts with Brittany. But now I look like I look back at that and I'm like I'm so glad we spent that like quality time together, even if in the moment I was just like raging about nothing, you know you know, what's so funny is.

Speaker 3:

I think that is such a beautiful example of us all living our own realities right. And the Big Brother experience is the best thing about that because you just realize, like, the story going on in my head is different than the story that's going on in your head, and in Big Brother all you have is to create stories about what they must be thinking are they lying to me this?

Speaker 3:

and that right. And so you were like fuming over there. And my story during that exact same thing was oh, I've been so mean game wise to Turner. I'm going to try to like extend an olive branch and be nicer.

Speaker 2:

No way I put you on the block every single time I could. No, you deserve to be me to me, Even though you weren't. You were just playing your own game and living in your own reality.

Speaker 3:

But it's so funny that was the story going on in my mind and you had a completely different story going on in your mind, and then it was just like we were not in the same reality at all. You know ever.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, of course. So now, like going after the show, I think a big promoter in like kind of us getting close at first, was like my mom talks so highly of you. Even it's so weird You're the only person my mom ever talks about. She talks about you and she talks about Taylor because there's I mean, this is a side step I go everywhere when I start talking, but like my mom's always like you know, taylor's so mature. You could probably be like that sometimes and I'm like, yes, mom, I get it. Taylor's like the most mature person ever and even I look up to Taylor in that sense. She's just like such a good person. And then she's like and Brittany, she really has this like whole manifestation thing. And my mom also is like subscribed to the same, like you know mindset as you, and so she's always like you need to go on that podcast. And I'm like mom, okay. So I was on the phone with her 10 minutes ago. I was like mom, I'm doing it, I'm here.

Speaker 3:

Can you tell her? I'll shout out Turner's mom huh.

Speaker 2:

Yes, teresa, teresa Gurley, we love you. I love to hear that.

Speaker 3:

And I'm so excited just to talk and geek out about all this stuff with you here today, because I literally will say some of my most fun conversations in the house, where I felt like even though you didn't know this and really not many people do it but where I felt most my real self was talking to you Like I don't know if you remember that one day I think it's breakfast we were sitting at the breakfast bar stools and we were talking like I was just so interested in hearing about, like your high school, like art school experience Do you remember us talking about that.

Speaker 2:

I do because, like how much you reminded me of my college photography teacher.

Speaker 3:

What that teacher right? I heard that right.

Speaker 2:

No I couldn't stand her, which, honestly, is like I don't even. Maybe I didn't even know it, but like you were set up in my mind before I even realized it, like what my relationship would be with you for a few months.

Speaker 3:

No, turner, I so think that that is true, because there were other people in the house and I like don't want to fully get into it, but there are other people in the house that reminded me of people and then that can help and it can hurt, right.

Speaker 2:

Of course, yeah.

Speaker 3:

And again like that, because again you're just creating stories in your mind and so if I automatically look like high school photography teacher, we didn't like.

Speaker 2:

that's like almost like a transparent film over understanding me, you know, yeah, and then, coincidentally, the only other person that reminded me of my like outside life was Alyssa. Reminded me of Megan's best friend, who I'm really close with, and then, lo and behold, alyssa and I became besties. So it's like it's so translate yeah funny.

Speaker 3:

I want to talk to you because having those conversations were so much fun. I want to talk to you. You're an artist. You make furniture, you tell drugs, you make content, like honestly, anything you touch becomes art in some sort of way.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3:

Talk to me about that process, like kind of take us back to the beginning, and some people on Instagram were wanting to hear about this, so I'm curious to get into this. How did you first discover your love for artistic pursuits Like how did? You know, that's what you wanted to get into.

Speaker 2:

So, like I started making YouTube videos, I must have been like, well, honestly, before that I was doing theater camp, okay.

Speaker 2:

That honestly this is a core memory that I didn't even know I had, literally. So I would do every summer I would go to this theater camp and I just literally loved it my whole school year. I was like, oh my God, I'm so excited to do theater camp, I can't believe we never even talked about this. Yeah, and I would like love getting on stage in front of like the thousand people at the end of the summer and put on this play, and I always had so much fun, and so I feel like you know that had like a little seed. And then, a couple of years later, when I was, yeah, like nine, I bought my first camera and I started making goofy little YouTube videos. Right, like nothing crazy. I don't even know what I would have done at nine years old, but I had made YouTube videos all the time.

Speaker 3:

You still have those videos.

Speaker 2:

No, that is something I wish I did, because then I mean, when I hit middle school people like found them and I wish I didn't delete them. I was like, you know, private was a thing, you could just make them private. But you know how middle schoolers are. I was like, no, no one can find my YouTube videos. And so then I started making those videos and then that like eventually translated into you know, the video game Call of Duty, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so I would. I would like then take other people's Call of Duty footage and edit it for them, because I really enjoyed editing. And so then I would like turn it around and be like, hey look, there's like your name in all this. And it was again, probably not like a totally developed product, but then by the time I hit high school I was still doing that and I also went to this vocational school. I originally went for carpentry, but once I which is super funny, because now- look how that's coming full circle, exactly.

Speaker 2:

But then, when I explored my week in carpentry, I actually wasn't a fan at all, and so I ended up getting into graphic design, which, like I think at that moment was perfect for me. That's where I met my best friends in, like you know, graphic design. And so then turn around after, oh, then I went to film school after college right, so we're still like on the same, similar trajectory and then I guess I started backpacking. Asia just did like my whole thing, became, like you know, my own biggest fan, and, like I'm 10 years into making YouTube videos and I see no success yet, in high school I made one video every single day, but the turnaround time was every day in high school and, like I think, the max one had like a thousand views. Nothing happened.

Speaker 2:

But I think that's when I got to like that's four years of perfecting I mean, I'm not calling anything perfect, but, like you know, just knowing what I'm doing, right. And so, after that, film school, then making films in Vietnam, wherever it may be, and then I got back, I got my film job everyone used to know me for. And then big brother, now I'm here. So that's like a super sped up version of like my art history, but yeah, wait.

Speaker 3:

So back to you. Make a YouTube video every day and you're seeing like a thousand views. How do you keep you know? It's funny. We've actually had somebody else on the show who's a productivity coach who did a similar type thing. But I want to hear your experience, like how do you stick with something every day for how long did you say that?

Speaker 2:

you kept on going. It was about four years.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, wait, wait, no, no, yeah, four years every day, yeah, and so like I genuinely I don't know I was like graced with this gift by my parents or something about like my work ethic, but also, at the same time, I didn't have a job in high school. I would not work. So it's like it was a work ethic, but it wasn't because I wasn't getting anything in return. I just loved making videos so much and if I was going to like give myself advice back then, now I'm like maybe it would have been more helpful to do like every other day and then focus a little more on the quality. So like the turnaround was a little bit better and one day I'd do this and the other day I'd like make it better.

Speaker 2:

But, yeah, and a lot of them was like simple commentaries. Other time I was editing, it was all call of duty based. It wasn't like I was making a short film every day, but I was making a call of duty video because I loved gaming. I really thought my trajectory in high school was I would be like one of those gamers, right, yeah, so it was fun, though I loved making those. I would get my friends involved and we would make little, just fun skits together.

Speaker 3:

How did you keep yourself motivated, though? Like when you're maybe not necessarily seeing them go like viral or go like huge, like was there ever a voice in the back of your mind is like, why are we doing this every day? Or like, what was the? Was the purpose just for the fun of it, or were you trying to get some place with it? How do you keep yourself motivated?

Speaker 2:

I think it's like every single time in my life I have this idea. I always feel like, if I say it too early, like people will, you know, laugh or say what they're going to say and I know that's just how people are. But I'm like in the back of my mind, I'm like, just wait till they see, just wait till they see, bro, because, like if I was in, you know, high school making these videos and I told my younger self as a gap, but you're going to have hundreds of thousands of followers or different platforms on your older, and I would be like, yeah, I'd be like, yeah in the back of my mind, wait till they see, bro, because that's going to be what it is.

Speaker 3:

So they're seeing now.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly Like when bro, sometimes I think of myself as like delusional, because when, like I would go through a breakup in high school, right, um, someone to break up with me I'm like, yeah, it sucks for them, bro, because until they see like like any like negative, I would just like put like I'd put the negative emotion on to them and just sense of like, oh, they're lost.

Speaker 3:

You know, I'm yeah true, I mean, that is so true. I mean, if they're going to go and judge you about things like that, is completely on them.

Speaker 2:

Like yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:

When we start taking ownership of what other people are thinking, that's when we get all topsy turvy, but the fact that, like you, kept the ownership exactly where it's supposed to be, which is like on them and you just kept doing your own thing, what you know that kept you going, Whereas a lot of people, when they take the ownership, they're the one who stops. You know they don't do the. Youtube video every day, or whatnot.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like yesterday I was. So I make these like furniture videos, right. And so yesterday I was in IKEA filming and I was like I was literally internalizing this. I was like, if I was, I feel like a lot of younger people, when they go out to film in public, like no one cares what you're doing, like if I would never see someone filming in public and be like, oh my God, why are they filming? Like who would ever think that? But a lot of people in turn are nervous to film in public, which I totally understand. But it's like, hey, I'm doing my thing like no one cares. Yeah, why would anybody think negatively of me filming in Ikea? And so, um, and some of the friends with I was like I can tell they like walked a hundred feet that way and watched from a distance. Really I don't know this guy, but I was like, yeah, I got to be my own biggest fan 24 seven.

Speaker 3:

Oh, I love that, because when you are notice, when you are your biggest fan, you don't give up, you keep going, and then things amount from that and you're doing what you love to do, you know like yeah but if you, if you, if you took in that internal chatter, it would stop you, and what a shame it would be for you and for all of us who get to benefit from Watching you create these awesome things.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly like. I don't know if I learned this when I was in big brother, but you know that, like upstairs, dr, where shoot, this woman would just like consistently, anytime you had a bad time, like give you like words of wisdom in, and like by the handful. And one time she said I wrote this down For it cuz I was like I know that I'm gonna think about this in our. So she said you're, she said this word for word Just busted out, she goes your mindset concerned, heaven into hell or hell into heaven. And I was like that is literally Exactly true, like you can be, like, for example, I'm living in a van at 20, right, I was having a ton of fun, I loved it, I. But like anybody, like I could see how someone be like oh yeah, I live in a van, I'm in Colorado, it's negative six and I don't have heat. That could also be the hell like. I totally get that. So it really is all about mindset.

Speaker 3:

Isn't that so interesting. You can turn heaven into hell or hell into heaven. Yeah, that is so true and that's why I love about it, because it can be the exact same circumstance, like what you said, like living in a van in Colorado, negative six. Yeah one person could be having an amazing time, the other person feeling woe is me, sorry for myself, or whatever. Well, however, they must be feeling and it's exact same van, and it's yeah, exactly exact same place.

Speaker 3:

So talk about this Turner. So it sounds like it was a pretty fluid process, from nine years old creating those initial YouTube videos to like now You're a professional creator, artist, maker I mean, what do you even call yourself like?

Speaker 2:

you do it? Oh, I. So I always struggle to find like a label for myself. So it's not like I don't want to say influencer, because when I was younger I would have like died to be like, yeah, I'm an influencer, right, but um, yeah, exactly. And so I started like owning. I started owning that label because I caught myself for a while being like, yeah, I'm like an influencer, but, like you know, not like that type of influencer. But it's like you don't need to like preface it like that's your job, be proud of it. So, yeah, I just call myself an influencer, like it is what it is.

Speaker 3:

You're an influencer, and that makes so much sense because you do create content. And what you're also creating that content about? Well, you create content about a lot of different things, but you're building this furniture. Now You're doing the rugs. Did did little Turner always know that he grew up to become, in, you know, an influencer and an artist, like in the fact that you created these things. Like, what did you think you were gonna be when you grow up?

Speaker 2:

and now, compared to who you are now so when I was a real small kid, like a Seven-ish, I would always just say, artists, I love drawing, but my drawing skills weren't really good. I would just, you know, scribbling on paper, calling into drawing. But then you know, high school, I'm I'm a gamer, bro, that's my thing. I am playing video games to join phase clan, if you ever heard of that. And then, oh yeah, it's just like a professional call duty team. That was my goal. And then once I found like the avenue of editing, I was like, oh wait, now I'm in the artistic side of what other people are like really playing the game. And then so I attribute a lot of that. Also, when I Hit high school, I met this kid who's in a lot of my stories. His name is David Kratz. I talk about him all the time online.

Speaker 3:

I talked about him in the big brother house.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. And so when I got to high school and got to graphics, where he was also, he was also pursuing YouTube at the time, so we can make YouTube videos together. And then, like we would bounce off each other, like, hey, how about you know, when we're 14, I'm like, hey, my mom will drive you to your house and we'll make YouTube video. Maybe next week your mom can drive you to my house. But then, you know, once we got cars, we became 16. We would do that every day. He was a part of like the YouTube videos and now he coincidentally he he was over last night he's visiting from Vegas, but like I think that relationship really helped craft me and so like, Is it your have collaborators like that, do you think for yeah?

Speaker 2:

I think so. I think like, at the end of the day, I would have been doing the same thing, but it helped a lot, like you know, having a group of friends that was equally as interested in. Like you know, it's like joining a theater group as opposed to just acting yourself, like you would probably do the same thing, but it's really good to have that. Like you know, bouncing one on one Energy just to play, that's a better way to build upon.

Speaker 3:

I mean, who wants to do monologues all day long like you need, yeah, right, like you need to be working with other people and yeah, the, the, the energy that's there. I totally get that. So talk to me about, like, your creative process. So like you're creating your. You're making furniture, your tufting rugs You're you're creating all these amazing things. What's that like for you? Yeah start a new project or what's kind of the, the flow that we don't see in the reals you know.

Speaker 2:

So my well, so my next project there's like that beam where my finger. Oh yeah this is impossible to like navigate where my hand is. But I have two beams like right there, and so I'm gonna make a huge bookshelf. Great that I've never made a bookshelf. I don't know how I'm gonna do that, but that's the same thing. When I start anything like, there's that concrete side table. This is a hard game I'm not gonna master, but this table right.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, that you made with the balloons right, yeah To that real guys, in case you.

Speaker 2:

He made this awesome table out of concrete with these balloons.

Speaker 3:

I mean, it's so cool, it's like this bulbous looking like really your favorite word, bulbous.

Speaker 2:

No, I think it's your least I. But like, yeah, I never know, going into it, what it's gonna become which, almost feeling, makes the content. Because in a story, right, you want like ups and downs. I mean almost similar to like.

Speaker 2:

I only reference this a lot because where we met which I think is a huge part of our foundation, like yeah, you know our big brother season, if you were watching like as a, as a viewer, there's so many ups and downs, which is what made it entertaining. It's not just downs that's boring, it's not just ups, that's also boring. So many ups and downs whether you're a fan of mine, taylor's yours that's what makes it entertaining. So in my content, when there's like, oh my god, I don't know how I'm gonna do this, I don't know how I'm gonna do that Like, that's what I think makes a story as opposed to we. You know, when you open your phone, everything looks perfect anyway, like every damn Instagrammer is making everything look perfect. I almost feel like the pitfalls of my projects is what makes the bulk of the of the segment.

Speaker 3:

So that's so interesting because I was gonna ask you here. You're like I'm gonna make this this bookcase. I've never done this before and yet you decide to continue doing it, whereas I know so many other people be like I've never done that, I can't do that. Yeah, you're basically saying, like it's the fact that there could be pitfalls here. Yeah, exactly interesting to pursue.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like that damn balloon video. I mean every video it takes a month to make. It's like so not time effective, how I make content. I only upload twice a month cuz I literally Cannot make a video every day. I look at creators that make a video every day. I'm like that is incredible, I wish I could be that, but like I just literally could never, and so I'm taking a month to make the video.

Speaker 2:

But I almost feel like it shows, like if you watch one of my videos, it looks like a damn production and like so maybe some like in all ways online I've learned like teach myself you're not gaining, you are losing, right, and maybe that's a weird way to look at it but say it's been three weeks, right, and I have an upload, a video, I'll see followers drop, because that's just what it is if you're not gaining, you're losing. And so then I need to like Be like alright, don't rush this project, just lose some followers for a week, it's gonna pay off. You're gonna post it another big boost. You lose some another big boost. That's like how social media works. So I just need to keep telling myself Don't rush something, it's all gonna be worth it in the end and thus far, like my faith in that, that has worked out great, and so I. Maybe I should upload more, but I'm trying to not rush anything.

Speaker 3:

I love that because I feel like we live in a society right now, especially because social media where it's like you got all these people that are creating these like little b-roll of them on the beach and a. Text overlay and then it's just been now like multiple times a day and yet you're taking a completely different process here, being like I'm gonna invest like a month into this. How does that feel when you're like, okay, you're watching the loss, like what's going through your mind, when you're pursuing Creating things that take time?

Speaker 3:

I feel people and I hear this from my clients and I hear this from people who listen to the show like they're scared to do things that take Time. Because what if they put all this time into it and it completely flops, and then they've lost Quote-unquote time? How do you deal? Do those fears ever come up? And, if so, or some version of them? How do you deal with that thought?

Speaker 2:

Of course. So, like I think of people I like watching the most, that would be like Casey Neistat right, he goes six months without uploading sometimes, but I'm always there for the next video. I'm like, yeah, he had this podcast called couples therapy and it stopped in 2019, but if he uploaded again with that podcast, I yeah exactly, and so it's just like that.

Speaker 2:

I'm like all right, if the audience that is really there to enjoy me and likes what I do, I think they'll wait. Granted, I post stories, like people still get to Engage with my face and like remember what I'm doing and I and I update people, but I just it literally is faith. I'm not religious at all, but I do have faith in myself and so that I will, I'll make the extra effort to Bet on myself every time and I remember I, so I play fortnight every single day. Once I'm done work, it's like 9 30 pm. Me and my best friends, we play fortnight.

Speaker 2:

And so I remember I was on for now, my friends, and it was the day before I was uploading that stone video. It was like I don't want to be dramatic, but if this video doesn't do well and I just spent a month and a half and all my resources on it I'm going to go insane. And then I was like but that's what it is, that's the game I'm playing, and so every time for the past eight months it's paid off. So at some point I need to be like all right, I'm eight months deep into it pays off every time. I just need to let friggin God take the wheel at this point.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah. But you know, and you've built that up, I mean it's. I mean it's kind of cliche, but it's like big risk, big reward.

Speaker 3:

Literally exactly because I feel like so many people are unwilling to take the big risk and like invest the time and invest the resources, all those things, and so they just take these little mini risks, but they're just seeing the mini reward and that doesn't feel good either. So it's like you really have to and I feel like I've learned that from you the most like even just like side personal conversations We've been having is you're changing my mindset around that, where it's like okay, I've done the little risk thing for a year now and that's like you know, it pays off in little ways Little ways.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I don't want little ways, I'd rather go all in on something, and just seeing you be an example of that is a good reminder in this day and age when I feel Like so many of us are like instant gratification, like we wanted to just be that easy, that like the big things require big, big inputs, big investments, and you just have to, like you, like you say, bet on yourself. That was like one of the biggest lessons I took away from big brother was like like after, after Alyssa went.

Speaker 3:

I just like like feast mode, like blow shit up mode. That was like oh, and after Michael left, I was just like yeah all this like I'm betting on myself. And if you haven't learned that lesson, anyone who's listening? If you haven't learned that lesson, there's so much freedom that just comes from like, okay, if the, if I, if there's a downfall here, I take ownership of that. But also like, when it, when it does go off like your videos do like, that's all you do.

Speaker 2:

Like you know, if you risk and that's a huge part of mindset, just like you say, like when you bet on yourself and big brother that's also when you won that veto that saved your life, right. Right. And so in that paid off in in turn. So it's and I mean that goes right back to Destination manifestation like it is also in the mindset.

Speaker 3:

Yeah yeah, cuz what, if it is? And I mean, this is obviously what, like I would would say, but like it is this, it is the Belief in yourself, the bet on yourself that is creating that success. Yeah, like, because how you show up in the video and how you, you know, market it, and how you present and how you edit it, and everything is influenced by your belief in that. Like this is something worthwhile, this is something great. Like I want to share this with people that there's energy attached to that, I mean yeah, and also, when you like, doubt yourself and you're so far on your timeline.

Speaker 2:

I was like look, look at where I am now.

Speaker 2:

Sorry, my I said Siracha cauliflower before we started. It's clearly not going well With my voice, but can you just like look at where you are on your journey and be like, oh my god, I've come so far, like doubting myself. Now what do I look like doing that? We're already like at level seven out of ten. Why would I then be taking steps back? And it's yeah, I mean, in turn, I look at my path. It was definitely not a narrow path and nobody's I don't, I don't think is like I remember, like in school would be like alright, what's your five-year plan? Like how can you make a five-year plan? If I made a five-year plan and stuck to it, I would never went on big brother I didn't know what that was until 2019 and so it's like yeah, you always need to be. I don't even know where I went with this, but always being adaptable and always being open-minded and hyping yourself up is Like the biggest things.

Speaker 3:

I think I've learned it well, I'm so glad that you mentioned that, turner, because that was something I want to talk to you about. Like, you, have shifted gears quite a few times in your life like. Artistically in your business, like you, like your all those things. Are you saying you're a video editor than you had. Then you had the thrift store, the rug, yeah, now your furniture maker, influencer, content creator, like when and how do you internally know when it's time to evolve and shift?

Speaker 2:

that. That's a really good question. I just think it's Off. This is gonna sound crazy, but it's off of vibes, bro, like it is literally off of vibes what do you mean by that off of?

Speaker 3:

how do you know?

Speaker 2:

It's like a lot of the times I get this like inkling of a thought in my head and, you know, sometimes a passing thought. They come in every day, thousands of them, but when one sticks I'm like I just need to go with my gut. When I decided to Start start backpacking, for months on end I everyone is like why would you be backpacking when no one you know in vietnam and you have a dream of buying a motorcycle, you never ridden motorcycle and driving it thousands of miles throughout southeast asia? I was like I don't know is just what I want to do and I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna figure it out.

Speaker 2:

And it's like I'm either gonna do what I want I'm gonna die trying and like, even if I was dying trying, say it's like brian cranson doesn't get his like break out roll please in his fifties, like If he wasn't pursuing that his whole entire life, that never would have happened. And so, and a certain point, just like in ice home, like I maybe I'm making videos for four years straight now and I won't hit my stride until eight years from now, which is when I really hit in a with big brother. But it's like I will die trying if I care enough, and I Do care enough about what I pursue, so it's always worth it I think there's something there, turner.

Speaker 3:

I really think that there is, because I have a very similar experience with that, like not to get too dark, but like when I was really going through depression. On the other side of that, I was like, fuck this, I have to become a hypnotherapist because that's what I want to do and I want to start my own business. Because what's the alternative? Be depressed and like Died trying, I mean like it was. Like it was like, well, of course, I have to go for this and there's risks here, but I'd rather die trying and doing what I love, then rotting away, wishing that I could do things and putting limits on myself, like we tried that route. It's not too great, yeah, the other way now, and I just, I just love that. Like it isn't it interesting that when you do that, when you don't let the fears take over and you do it anyways because you're like I'm gonna do this or die trying, that's when it ends up working out? At least, that's the stories that I hear.

Speaker 2:

That's what it feels like, yeah yeah, exactly, and I'm like before we started recording, you're like I like how, what are your feelings on mindset Manifestation?

Speaker 2:

And I was like it's more of a background thought as opposed to like looking myself in the mirror and like, you know, putting a post it note there, doing whatever other, not traditional, but whatever works for other I have. Everyone has their own unique version of manifestation and so mine is always like, and I sometimes I think I'm full of myself, but I'm like that can't be it, because like something's working, and so I literally I tell myself every day I been, you know, I'm not saying I am the greatest creator to ever live, but if I'm not telling myself that, then like what am I exactly doing? Am I like saying, oh yeah, he's better than me, but I'm just gonna try? Know, like in my head I, I'm like the leader of the ship, so I better hope that I'm getting to the destination is like what other cruise ship captain is gonna be like? Oh, hopefully we get there, you know, maybe what do you think?

Speaker 2:

I think we'll get there. I hope exactly so, like, so like. If I'm on a plane like the pilot better think he's the best jam pilot ever, and so that's exactly how I think about my mind.

Speaker 3:

I love that. That makes so much sense, because you're not gonna do it. Who is and let me just point this out who is? If you rely on other people to do that for you, that can be really sucky, like I definitely know that. That was my experience with big brother is like well, we're both been blessed with very supportive partners.

Speaker 3:

I know that a lot of how much I'm on a lot of her shout out, steven Right yeah, just like the old day shout out and I know that was huge for me to get used to is I think I hadn't realized that I've been with steven for fourteen years like it.

Speaker 3:

I hadn't realized how much he had put me up and therefore, when I couldn't talk to him every day, that like I almost I like my end my own, pump myself up engine needed to be like restarted because it just was as strong as I had thought I was doing that, but really I was borrowing his thoughts about me a lot of the times, and so big brother taught me this like oh, no, I need to be, like yeah, I'm the best you know, and what you say, like that we're giving the example before, when you bet on yourself, like that's when the things start happening, and so I just love that, like of course, you need the pilot to believe that they're best and that's how you are. And Think about the kind of artist you show up as when you believe that, as opposed to the artist you be if you didn't.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, I'd be like different versions. Or it's like we also mentioned this briefly like okay, filming in public here. If you just walk in somewhere and set up a camera, no one's gonna stop you. But if you, like Shiley, like hey, can I film here, like people like me, like alright, there's not enough. Like you need like a little on to do what you want to do, just like like acting like you know what you're doing honestly is a huge help. And even, yeah, like he knows it's supposed to be here. Yeah, exactly like all like you are. Yeah, like the first time I started woodworking, which was honestly seven, eight months ago, not even that long ago, I want to ask you about that, because you talked about furniture in the house yeah, I never thought about.

Speaker 3:

After big brother. So like, take that, for instance, like talk about big shifts like you weren't making furniture, at least you know, not in the way that you do now during big brother. So like, how did that come to be? And so like, like I know, during the brother we're talking like rucksack this and that and all of a sudden, yeah, I remember my this is funny my dad text me that you close rucksack.

Speaker 3:

My parents love you and they follow you and they're like go turners closing rucksack, and I thought he was literally pranking me because that's all we talked about. Like you, know, shout out rucksack. So talk about like that shift, because obviously that must have been like an intuitive nudge of some sort like I'm gonna go and be an influencer and I'm gonna go and change and now do like furniture stuff. Like how do you ride those waves of those changes when you're listening to your gut on things like that?

Speaker 2:

so, like big brother ends, we spend Whoever you are spends a little bit of time in la, whether it's a day a month. I spent a few weeks there and then I got home and I like walked in the rucksack and I don't even know what it was. I was just like this isn't me, like this is. This was me for a year last year. But I got in the building and it's funny cuz Megan has recently told me she's like my on literally said the second you get home you're not gonna want to do this anymore. And I that's so interesting cuz like I my every single waking hour went into that business Three year and so to think of that, oh, a year from now you won't be doing this shop. Your opening will be crazy. I invest like I got a lot of return on investment, but I invested 30 grand in my own money. I didn't get a freaking loan, yeah renovated that place.

Speaker 3:

I remember you telling us stories about like all the blood and tears that went into that, that that establish man exactly, and so, like, so far, my gut has never let me down.

Speaker 2:

I got feelings and so I will. I literally walked in the store and I was like yes, cool, like you know, whatever, but it's not me anymore and I just think being willing to accept that help me a lot, and I have always wanted to make content online and I was like okay, I'm in a position now where it makes sense. I remember getting off a big brother. I had 90 K right and in my literally this is the sounds crazy. This is when I like walk the line of being full of myself versus just confidence in like backing myself up. But I was like Alright, I know I have 90 K now and if I told anybody this at the time, they would laugh. They laugh at me.

Speaker 2:

I'd be like but I'm, I'm gonna be the most followed person From BB 24 on instagram. I knew it. If I said that on twitter, oh my god, it would. I would be the laughing stock of the site To drive. Yes, exactly, and I was like I, that's my, gonna be my goal. I hit that goal a couple weeks ago and so it's like yeah, yeah, I you now.

Speaker 2:

I didn't know I am to 235 thousand strong and so, yes, but it's like, listen, that sounds like I'm saying that because, like, whoever was, whether it was you or whether it was my own mother, or whether it was, you know, montier taylor, whoever was, that's my goal. I don't care who I'm passing, that's just was my goal, and so is like I'm gonna make that come true. Now, a lot of content. After I left the house, I didn't exactly know what I was doing, like they were getting one through three thousand likes, and I was like, all right, it's not looking good. Like since then, like I just kept pursuing what I wanted. I kept thinking about that weird little dream I had and I was like I'm gonna go until the damn wheels fall off.

Speaker 3:

And so, yeah, we hit that last week and I was like, yes, yeah, rats, by the way and I mean that's just that's, that's so cool. So it's having that vision, it's having that gut instinct. And so let's go back to that moment. You walk in a rug shack, you look around and you're like, wow, this isn't me.

Speaker 3:

Mm-hmm a lot of people Now, you're not a lot of people, but a lot of people would be like how do they feel? Like they're not giving up or worried about what others think, like I think a lot of people like. I was a serial entrepreneur before I became a hypnotherapist. I made jewelry. I was a web designer.

Speaker 2:

Very interesting designer.

Speaker 3:

I did all these things and I know like when I would start these businesses and then they just wouldn't feel like me. So I can very much understand what you're talking about. And then I would shift and I always like, had so much like me younger, I was having so much like I would say shame around that, but just like, oh my god, I felt like you know the boy that cries wolf, I was like the girl who cried, business like that's what I felt like, and it felt like almost to the point where I changed so much that people were like, oh, brittany's business, like nice pattern on the head, you know I literally could not relate to this anymore.

Speaker 2:

Sorry to jump in, but yeah, when I, when I started rugs during the pandemic, like when I ordered the first rug tuff thing gun that I got, I told a couple people in my family and they're like alright, like this will be fun for a month. And I'm like like in my head I'm like why would you say that to me? Like what's wrong with you? But like also, I get it, like I Literally whether it was the video editing or when I was backpacking, which was very like a very formative half a year, but I left early from. I was in China or something, I forget where I was, but I left early because it was just like I was getting homesick. I miss friends, I had a relative pass and I was like I'm just gonna go home.

Speaker 2:

But other people frame that as like quitting. But that's when like turning your mindset into heaven or hell really comes to fruition, because, like, people can be telling me I'm quitting, but I was like, oh no, I had a really great couple of months. This is gonna be like crucial for like my growing ages going forward and I felt very positive about that. So you can't like let people get in your head about that, because if I really thought I would just kept giving up, then I don't know where my life would have ended up or when. I like before big brother, I never, ever talked about this. But I also really don't talk about my personal life on my Instagram page. Anyway, it's like you know what I'm building, so I'm totally fine with getting into this.

Speaker 2:

But like I literally felt for years like the most hated person on the internet for so long, like I would. I had like 3,000 followers and I would like wake up my phone like, oh, 700 messages telling me people hate me. That's awesome and I was like, but it was like I don't care. It's like the same exact moment where I'm like all right, wait and see, bro, this is gonna be a fun little payoff. And now there's literally like videos from this year. I know there's one YouTube short and my big brother casting photo is the is the photo and it's, like you know, failed Whatever editors from YouTube, whatever, and it's my big brother cast for that's 11 million views, I'm like. So 11 million people clicked on my big brother casting photo to like, you know, dog on me in a YouTube short. I'm like, whatever it is what it is like. You're never gonna Control the minds of others. You can really only control your own, what you, what you have going on.

Speaker 3:

So it's so important experience helped coming out of the big brother house.

Speaker 2:

Oh my god.

Speaker 3:

You. I feel like all of us in some way got some sort of hate because yeah. Like you're like you already is like. You're like this is not my first rodeo. Like I can deal with my god.

Speaker 2:

I was like the pinion yeah, like I, some people from our season got out of the show and that really did affect them and I sympathize with that because I was affected by that for years. And so when I got out of the big brother house, I was like, oh, 70,000 people are mad at me, whatever. Been there, like I couldn't have possibly cared less. And that, like, in turn, like I feel like because of that, I, you know, started like tweeting memes hour, whatever on Twitter and people like came around like all right, it's just turner. You know, he's the quirky little guy, he just doesn't care about anything. And I'm like, yeah, like that's. That even goes to show like every single tough time is weathering you for another storm and that that storm genuinely weathered me to know how to act.

Speaker 2:

Once I got out of the big brother house and just like there were so many controversies like even pre big brother, bro, I was a mega cancelled. Everyone hated me before they like saw me on the show, I was like that's just my life, all right, so I get out of the big brother house. I have that laptop with my sequester manager and I'm googling myself. I'm like, oh, I was canceled months ago, awesome, whatever.

Speaker 2:

Um I know and then I'm like I was like was everyone canceled? Oh me, just before anyone even heard me talk. Great, that's helpful.

Speaker 3:

So got that. You were like. People didn't like you at the very beginning, right?

Speaker 2:

I had like a 1% like popularity poll, like even I mean with peace of mind, daniel had 30. I'm like what am I doing wrong, bro? And so I? I I just think I get judged before people really know me, but it's a story of my life, so I I'd rather prove them wrong than prove them right and just continue being myself. And either I mean I don't know about killing with kindness, I kill him with something, but I just keep being myself, no matter what that is so.

Speaker 3:

I love that and I literally wish I Would have had more of. I don't want to call it a thick skin, because it's like you know, well, whatever, but like experience with it helps you know, helps you understand that, but like so, okay, so it sounds like you recognize that urge. Other people might be calling it given up or other people might be saying, oh, they're switching gears to this or that, but it's just. Is it believing in that conviction within yourself, that like gut feeling that like this is my next chapter, like this is where I'm evolving to? Is it that belief that keeps you going kind of continually in the direction that feels Best for you moving forward?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah. And I think even in the moment it feels less like intense because it's like, looking back on so many of my decisions, I'm like that was a dumb decision but it paid off, so who cares? But it's like, yeah, at the at the time, like Even trying out for big brother 24 when, um, like I don't like to for a scope of ideas, I remember the month before leaving for big brother, the store made like 30 grand. Right, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna leave this behind and just do my own. Do do like go for TV. Like that Doesn't sound like a great idea. But like, in my head I was like this is what I want to do, I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2:

For example, I remember when I was in high school and I I would try working. Like I got a job at Bert this is such a goofy ass story but I had a job at Burger King and they wouldn't let me off for a Halloween party, understandably. But I was like, okay, then I'm just gonna quit. Like I want, I'm gonna do what I want to do. Like I'll find another job, like I'll go work at frickin McDonald's. They don't care that I quit Burger King. So it's always just about doing what I want to do, doing what feels right, and a lot of the times you know I'm trying to be sensible, right, um, and weigh my options, but I've just never Got myself into too bad of a position, so it's always just, I mean there's very, very little that you couldn't undo like truly undo I think in our minds.

Speaker 3:

We think it's like this oh no, life or death decision.

Speaker 3:

There are very few Like. Even if right now you decided, oh shit, I made a terrible mistake, I need to go create rug shack again. You could go find a spot and create that again if you wanted to like. There's very few Things that we can't undo and it's so funny that you tell that story. I have the exact story of that turner like I literally only mine is even more ridiculous because I was working on my business. I was a receptionist at this like restaurant company with this like god-awful boss, and I was working on my business while I was at work like I was I shouldn't have been doing that.

Speaker 3:

I was working on my own business while I was at work and he caught me and he was like you can't do this, like you cannot work on your business during your working hours, and so I was like, oh well, then I leave, but I'm yeah, yeah, it's like in the backtracking.

Speaker 3:

He's like you can do it during lunch and like if you don't have anything else to do, you can do it, and so you know backtracking. And then I end up staying. But like it was just funny, like Well, there must be something that goes in your mind when you really are locked in to, like creating something for yourself, that it's like you're gonna do it at all costs and if things in the outside world get in the way, then you just get rid of those things like exactly, and you know, even like you feel like playing Big brother, right, I was like I need to look out for myself.

Speaker 2:

So I don't think I always did the morally right thing, but I, I was always my biggest advocate, and I mean not like advocate, like in the sense I'm like hey guys, look at me, I'm great, but you know, I'm hyping myself up.

Speaker 2:

I'm like I you just need to do what you need to do and you need to do whatever you think you need to do, because that always works. And so, like A lot of what I got heat for outside of the big brother house right when we left was like how I treated Joseph at direfest and it was like I get that and Joseph is my best friend in the world. He's uh what the groomsmen at my wedding coming up, and so he's he's gonna be one of the guys standing there Like I literally cannot talk like highly enough of this guy, but it's like you know I would. I would do any of what I did again just to look out for myself in these situations, and I also think that's like it's not bad to look out for yourself. You know it's you need to.

Speaker 3:

You need to be the one who gets yourself there because then, like we were talking about before, who is looking out if not?

Speaker 3:

Exactly you, and even if you are lucky enough to have somebody who's super supportive, then you're almost on life support, like I was talking about before with like feeling like I needed to create my own belief in myself During big brother, because I gotten so used to somebody like pumping me full of belief, you know, in that regard, like of like Pumping me up in that way, and so it was like you got to look out for yourself no matter what, especially when you're playing a game, and I think a lot of people this is like easy to say, but a lot of people think that they, they know a very specific version of us.

Speaker 3:

They know us under a tremendous amount of stress, with no sleep, playing a game for lots of money. That's the version they know.

Speaker 3:

And they can deduce other things outside that, whatever. But like you know and I think that's even been interesting getting to know like somebody like you or any of our castmates Like we now know each other more outside the house than we ever did inside the house because it's been long enough now and you know there's even certain things that kind of begin to surprise me. You know about you or about other people that it's like oh, I understand you now in context of your life.

Speaker 2:

You know yeah, yeah, speaking of which.

Speaker 3:

How, in the world turner, knowing how artistic you are and how much of a Part of your life that is, how did you go freaking three months? You know microwaving a tie-dye shirt is the the extent of your artistic Outlet like how was that? Now that I know you outside the house, that makes me be more in awe. How was it like to shut off I mean essentially shut off that part of yourself, for that long.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean like definitely the extent of it was making this damn shirt, which wasn't much like artistic.

Speaker 2:

Wearing it, by the way, today, of course this honestly, like now that I just real quick side step, now that I make videos, I wear my these tie-dye shirts and, like every single video I make, everyone is like the shirts we made together, every single one. But so, yeah, when I was, oh, thank you, thank you. Uh, when I was in the house, yeah, you couldn't really make much, but I mean so, week number one, it was a lot of like awe and admiring what was going on because, like we did live in like this Crazy Hollywood set, it was beautiful and, whether you like that style or not, because it was very chaotic, I love how that house looked and so love our theme.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, and like the big color tv sign in the front or like that big pool sign, it was just incredible living there. And so then, like after a while, I did get worried. I was like, am I gonna like forget how to do a lot of the stuff I've been doing for the past like decade? And granted, I only got better at it, I think, after big brother. But, um, yeah, there was one thing I honestly didn't really struggle. I my biggest struggle was like missing megan. Um, finding like pure relationships that I didn't think were just game related, and then I think those are like Survival instincts, almost so. Then the artistic stuff came, came second, but like, yeah, I think there was an art in building relationships, so much so that I was really focused on that that was a creative pursuit in that house was definitely a different form of it like there was like, uh, I remember week one when everyone's like trying to get to know each other and I love getting to know people, but it's like I just I can't function without caffeine.

Speaker 2:

I have a really hard time doing that, and it's not like quirky, it's like a serious problem. I have a real addiction, and so when people are like I haven't had my coffee in the morning and people like, oh, what do you do for work, I'm like bro, just like leave me alone for like 10 minutes, but like you can't say that, so you have to be like learned.

Speaker 3:

We quickly learned.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah exactly so like. And then you see like so many like huge personalities, like I remember waking up like day number four and I said Monty pooch and Kyle dancing at 7 am. I'm like what is wrong with you people and like you know, love them. But I just it was, and I feel like you could probably like relate to it being a little more Introverted in that context. Like I think in my personal life I'm the most outgoing person I know, but in that setting I'm like nowhere even near 15th place. I'm like how do these people have like, how did like was me getting cast a fluke? Because this doesn't seem like I belong in this?

Speaker 3:

I mean, I think that's so funny because I know so many of us leftovers had that same sentiment of feeling like, yeah, I'm the same way, I am like the outgoing funny girl in my, in my group, but I get into this and I'm like a wet rag, like what, what the heck? Like it was so Jarring to be in that, and just, yeah, I get overly stimulated very easily too, and so it's you. You slink back. But then if you slink back too much, or if people have a certain idea of you, like I know, for me it was definitely like I had to. I had to play a completely different game that I ever intended on playing From the moment pooch picked me for backstage and so it's like all plans went, just flew out the window and then it was like you could never.

Speaker 3:

You know it was I mean. I guess I eventually did somewhat recover, but not it, not ever really.

Speaker 2:

Totally and like it's almost similar to when you see people online and you don't realize it's like a three-dimensional person, even if they're showing their highlights. Um, like once you see what their real life is like. It's a little different. And so I remember week Two. I was talking to Monty or Kyle, it was one of them no, okay, it was Kyle week two and I thought he was like such a big personality but then we were alone for a second. He's like bro, I'm so sick of talking to people. And like I was like that is so helpful to know, because I never would have thought that of you. And then you know week eight and it's Monty and he's like bro, if I talk to one more person today I'm gonna go insane. And I was like bro, I never would have thought that of you. Like that's honestly helpful for me to internalize. I'm not the only one who's going crazy here.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, I mean, honestly, that was that was, I think, probably one of the reasons why Michael and I became friends so quickly was like I just we just had a conversation that was very similar to that. That. I was like, oh, you just kind of remind me of not somebody here, but somebody in my outside life that I would like jive with, and that's that was just helpful to have that context. I mean, that's interesting to hear, though. So you were. I mean, obviously you were admiring kind of the artistic, um elements of the experience and like the set and this and that.

Speaker 3:

But it's interesting that you kind of talk about like Survival mode, like you know, because that's what they say. Like when you're in survival mode, the excess, like say, somebody's in fight or flight, right for, like they have anxiety for some reason.

Speaker 3:

This is what you're talking about, but like just using that as an example. Like um, when your, your um Nervous system is able to like be regulated again, that's when you can, they say, feed and breed like, because all the other Systems can be turned off, because you're just focusing on staying alive. It almost reminds me of that, like the artistic systems within you. Yeah could be turned off because you were just focused on staying alive like there's not excess resources for art.

Speaker 3:

When you're not in a like a safe, regulated place, you know which big brother is not a safe place, especially um during our, like you remember, during what?

Speaker 2:

what comp was it that we both like almost died doing, was it uh?

Speaker 3:

It was otev.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that was a real survival instinct. Like your hand is broken open, my knee is broken open.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, because isn't that the one? That's what I gouged my knee, which I still have a very prominent scar about, by the way. And then you, you dislocated something.

Speaker 2:

I dislocated my kneecap. That is yeah, and I remember you tried to like to time out and nothing happened.

Speaker 3:

And that was the like, the eerie. That was crazy.

Speaker 2:

That. That that was like an episode of black mirror. When I tried timing out the whole show, I was like there's a real problem here and everyone, just everyone's like, keep going, entertain us. And I was like pro, I like I'm really trying to stop the show. And then I was like, all right, I guess I'll like start crawling and swimming through like goop with like a broken knee.

Speaker 3:

Um, I can't imagine being you in that instance. But I that same moment that I was like shit, this stuff doesn't this.

Speaker 2:

This game doesn't stop for no one like no, it's like literal survival mode sometimes.

Speaker 3:

But no, it's like a fun yeah yeah, families watch this.

Speaker 2:

It's just we're hanging out.

Speaker 3:

So talk to me about this, and we were talking about being creative and things like that. Do you ever like how do you come up with the next idea for the next project? Like where do you get your inspiration from? Does it ever dry up? I'm curious to hear about that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, totally I think like I don't know what it was. My like the work ethic I was fine about before. So it's yeah, I've never needed to like take a break with working, even if I feel like if you looked at my profile and you didn't know my explanation of it takes me a month to make a video Then you would think I'm just taking a break. But I've really never gotten burnt out on like creative stuff which I feel really blessed with. Just the burnout doesn't exist because it's my passion. And so my next idea is like even Last night at midnight, I'm on like Pinterest right, looking at furniture ideas. Or I'm really into like books about Architects in their lives, and so then it'll like show furniture throughout the book.

Speaker 2:

It's a really weird niche thing to be into, but just books about architects. So then I will start like seeing things that they've made and I mean inspiration can really hit anywhere. And then a little bit of inspiration goes in if, like you know, I have to tie a brand deal into it. So let's see this like this bench that I made. That's over here. That was my last video that just went nuts. I mean, the only reason there's a hole in it is because a cat brand advertising and otherwise.

Speaker 3:

I wouldn't have made the whole.

Speaker 2:

So like, first off, it's like a mix of like there's two sides of my brain working. It's like the brand part, which is almost like the logical side, and then the art side, and it's like they're both scrolling on the same phone, but they're thinking about different things. And so when I I watch this YouTube video About somebody building a bench similar to this, and I was like, oh perfect, I want to make that. So it goes on like a list of ideas and a Pinterest board, that. And then I get a.

Speaker 2:

My agent is Alyssa Lopez from Maybrother, 23, and she hits me. He's like, hey, do you want to work with this brand? And I'm like, okay, how could I translate it over here on this page? And like, which one would it fit into? And so, like I have a. There's a VPN company and I still don't know how the hell I'm gonna put a VPN into a physical thing. But then I was like, okay, if you are on a VPN and you buy something in another part of the world, something can be cheaper. So then how about I just get the VPN to allow me to have like cheaper materials and then I can just make whatever I want, something like that ideas.

Speaker 3:

You're just trying to find these connections from these very distinct, separate things. But exactly overlap is like the really cool Unique part about it?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, totally, and I remember when I was a kid I would. I used to watch just youtuber's name was Woody's gamer tag and that's neither here nor there. But he would do these like just random call duty videos. That was what I was into, but he would always put like a sponsor.

Speaker 2:

And I remember as a kid when someone read a brand deal I was like I'm not watching this. I don't know why I thought that, but I was like I don't even want to watch the video. Nothing about it I wanted to see. And so it's like I get why you it's a silly thing to think you just skip past the freaking brand part, but as a kid I so now I never want to like so have someone going through my video and be like this brand seems so out of place, like in half time to skip office. So I really try to interconnect them. So it's something I want to do and something the brand's gonna want and something that's fun to make, and so there's no like brand-ish Part of it, even though there is. You know what I mean by that.

Speaker 3:

Oh, I absolutely get that and that's what's so cool. It's like your video. Sure, the brand. The brand is like whoa.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you know, maybe not even throughout the whole thing, but at least a portion of it. But it's so. It makes so much sense. It's almost like it becomes part of the story, like you were talking about, like you create ups and downs, like their story to these projects that you're doing, and the brand's just another element of that story, and so it's yeah, it doesn't detract from it at all, which is really that takes extra work, you know, yeah, easy to just slap it as a label on on top or at the beginning or at the end or whatever, but it's much harder to make it like to integrate it throughout you do a great job and it's not as seamless as my description.

Speaker 2:

It does take, like I I have a script for this, the part two of the bench video that I'm finishing right now, and, my god, I have like two lines written and I'm like, how do I write this freaking script? And it's gonna come to me Eventually. I don't know how, but that's why, like if the filming of the project, I don't think of the scripts, because I want like a problem to come about and when, if I wrote a script beforehand, I wouldn't know what the problem is gonna be. So usually I just write it as I work, which is helpful also.

Speaker 3:

That's cool, that's cool. So let me ask you this, turner, since you know, we know each other from Big Brother, big Brother was a huge influence in both of our lives. Did Big Brother influence or change you as an artist, maker, creator, influencer, like, did it influence the way you see yourself, your work, your career? I'd be curious to hear that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, totally. I think. Like I Think the relationships I made was the most important thing I got from Big Brother and so maybe not as Career based, but that helped, like a lot of I feel like you meet people when you're supposed to meet people and whether they stay in your life or leave your life, it's meant to be.

Speaker 2:

And so, like I'm not friends with everyone from our Big Brothers I don't think anyone is friends with everybody- it's just not that 16 new friends, yeah, and so it's like my relationship with you, my relationship with Alyssa, my relationship with Jasmine, and there's more people. The list goes on.

Speaker 2:

If I didn't say her name, I you know who you are, but I'm meant to be drama, yeah exactly, and so it's like so many of my relationships I I'm so happy that I have especially you, like I don't know. I love talking to you. This is this hasn't even seen like we're doing a podcast. This hour has literally flown by and like seemingly a minute and so like I Really think that everybody who I've remained in contact with for a career reason or for just I love having them in my life. That's the best thing I've, uh I've like taken from the show and I thought it was so funny. And Alyssa's episode she's like the best and worst things I I gained from Big Brother war their relationships.

Speaker 3:

I was like that's a funny way to put it but I fully agree, it really is, and it's funny, I think, that sometimes even clouded my I don't know my gameplay. Like that idea was always kind of forefront because I was such a big big brother fan and I would follow all the people online. I'd see them getting together and it just seemed like they created this like new family and I really wanted that, and so I think sometimes I would like try to make things work more than they needed to. Um, I feel like now I'm at a really good place. It's like all the people I'm close to, I talk with a lot. They're like I think of them more. You know, it's kind of like your friends that maybe made a friend in high school or it made a friend in college, and if somebody asked you like, oh, how do you know them?

Speaker 3:

You're like, oh, we met in high school. Like that's kind of how I feel about like you and other people. I'm like, oh, how did you know them? Like, oh, we met on this random reality show. Like of course because the relationships have built up More. I mean we've known each other way longer than three months outside the house than inside the house, and you know I I think I've gotten to, I've made peace with the people that I am no longer friends with and really embrace.

Speaker 3:

You know the people that I am and both are okay. Like you're saying it is fine, like none of us in life are meant to be in each other's lives, like 100% of the time. We will have some people who are like that and there for the long runs, but we will have some people who make their way in and make their way out and that's just part of life too, and that's even like with my best friends.

Speaker 2:

We could not talk for months and then we reconnect and it's the same. So it's like we might not talk every day or even every week, but like the when we do talk there's nothing like nothing's lost. You know, like even, um, I Think literally the only person I there's a couple people I talk to like every other day, but even that it's like I don't reach out to anybody every day. There's like no chat. I'm doing my own thing, and it's like I love my and my friends but I can't. It's not even like I can't be bothered, but it's like I don't even want to be annoying sometimes. Sometimes I don't want to feel like a burden. If I'm reaching out to someone every day, it's like all right, you're kind of like overstaying your welcome here, holy shit.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's introvert Intendencies, I'm sure coming to play to you. I'm the same way. I don't think I talked to anybody every day. Yeah, I do love that how some of my big brother friends are the people that I talked to the most now, which is yeah of course, cool that we didn't have that you know.

Speaker 2:

And I think people would be shocked to see that we have developed a great relationship. Right? If I was a fan, I'd be like wait, they like like each other, like their friends. What are you talking about?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I wonder that too, because I would see that with other seasons back when I was just a fan, before being on the show, I'd see that and I'm like how, in the world of these people, friends now, but it's just weird. Being in the outside I don't think they tell you like out after the show is like it's whole other Experience. It's this yeah other chapter that you're not ever prepared for. That has its own ups and downs too.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, totally it's like a Like for me. Even it could be that way for everybody, but for me it was like. Even with the store closing and after big brother, they felt like a rebirth and like a like that, three months outside of everything, no phone, just a couple people that you Know more than you ever wish to know anybody.

Speaker 2:

Honestly, it's like that was such like a Reset. So it's like you know, I think, of my life in like chapters and like big brother, and afterward is its own whole chapter. Yeah, I remember there's this, so I don't know when it was, but Tyler creator released a song a while ago and he said he really hit puberty at 23 and I was like hello the hell, is that possible? But then at 23 I feel the exact same way. I don't think I was even like conscious until 23. I don't think I existed before that.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I totally. I mean that is so true, like there is life before big brother and there's life after big brother. And I even think of some of the oh, what is it the song? It's the Frank Ocean song that would come on in the big brother house.

Speaker 2:

The black and yellow. Oh, pink, pink and white pink and white.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's what. Yeah, that song I knew I remember you liking and they would always play over the the like loudspeakers and like as it was, and, like the beyond, beyonce's that came out right, literally.

Speaker 3:

So like my Spotify, like my music playlist, I have it all in order for my entire life. This is like very OCD of me, but like I have it all in order by my life. So it goes from like middle school to high school, through college, and so there are there a set of songs that as soon as I got home from big brother, I was like one of the songs that are gonna be sense memory for big brother, that will like Instantly bring me back there for better or worse.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I could never hear freaking New York State of mind by Jay-Z Without thinking of, right before a competition, that Jesus, that song was every day.

Speaker 3:

Every day. And this is so funny because it's like that just is like that rush of, and it's funny because it's like, literally, as I listen to my music, there's before big brother and there's after big brother, like even on this like playlist, and and it's just kind of how life is too, you know, in a lot of ways and also our goodnight messages with song recommendations at the end.

Speaker 2:

So, did something with that. Yeah, yeah, it's all in a leftover. I haven't saved it. I can send it to you. It's like leftovers, spotify recommendations and so so that's how I found out. Afterwards I was like, oh yeah, suvian Stephen sees on this playlist. I remember that I should listen in because of Brittany. And then I saw Anthony Fantano review and so I listened to his album and then I was thinking you and I texted you yeah, so crazy.

Speaker 3:

I would never thought, like while we were doing all that, but that like in the real world, what is it gonna look like in the real world when we actually go listen to these things or check out these things? You know, it just doesn't. You don't go that far, your mind won't let you go that far because you're in survival mode, you know exactly well, let me ask you this so as we move into the next chapter of life Turner.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I mean with me, like what is Matthew Turner Manifested version of you? That you're the version that you're gonna evolve into now? Granted, we already talked about this, we can't know too far in advance, but if you know, be the way you would love to dream it now, of course, so like you want to cook up in the future, oh what?

Speaker 2:

am I cooking up? I love that, yeah, so this is. Even if someone hears this and is like no way, all right, I'll prove you wrong, doesn't matter to me. Think what you want. Well, here's what's happening. All right, here is what is happening I am. So I'm building out my brand. It I'm trying to find it's like social online identity, as I like Get better at woodworking. It's called plant-based Furniture, so it's like mate the. The joke is it's like whenever I talk about eating plant-based beef because I'm a vegetarian, it's like a play on that plant-based furniture and it's made by plants, made of wood, made of to, like you know, curate different types of plants at the furniture itself. And so I that I'm gonna build out, I'm gonna sell it for millions of dollars to Ikea. I know it's gonna happen. Ikea representatives, you might not even believe it. It's gonna happen. Then, when I hit a million followers on Instagram, hey, might be years to come. It's happening, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3:

And you're like growing, like wow.

Speaker 2:

Thank you. So whenever that happens, like I love Rhode Island and I plan to live here for quite a while, it's also like very affordable housing in Rhode Island like this in New York would not be freaking achieved.

Speaker 3:

I mean you have an amazing loft.

Speaker 2:

It's thank you. And so I plan on like I do see how, when there's this like trend of influencers moving to those like big freaking New York or LA penthouses, and sometimes it just like becomes like less relatable, I'm like oh, I can't like yeah.

Speaker 2:

When I was younger I like couldn't like grasp on to what that even was, so usually that would tune me up, like I have come to terms with the fact that someday I do actually want that, but for right now I'm really happy just living in Rhode Island, building out my Furniture brand as I like get better at making furniture, which is a huge step in this, and so it might be years to come and you know. But that and then hold on. What was the? What is the other thing I'm doing? I have so many things going on that it's tough to tell what was. Oh, and then I my my dream is also HGTV. I really think that I.

Speaker 2:

I've built out something that I'm gonna keep building out alongside the back end of the brand. That, like my personal brand, is gonna be easily translatable. For a production company to pick up HGTV and sometimes better to move in silence. Move in silence and stand on business that's what I think that in my head sometimes. But hey, I'm moving in front of the crowd now, so we're out. But yeah, those are my two goals.

Speaker 3:

Oh, Turner, I mean, and just think about it, and you just keep applying the same process You've been applying thus far, and like you just believe in it and you keep doing it and you're you die trying and you're gonna move in the direction of that and you're gonna pivot if it feels right and or when it feels right or whatnot, like, yeah, right there.

Speaker 2:

And it's like this uh, this is gonna sound off topic at first, but a lot of people right when you I found this when you ask adults, as if I'm not an adult, I feel like I'm 17 sometimes. But when you ask people who are older, their age and like that's, that's rude. But, like you see, I'm always like so happy with my age. I wish I was 35 and I know if you're like 30, I whoever's 35 watching this and be like alright, listen, you're younger, you should enjoy it. Like every year, I just feel like life gets better, like I navigate it Somehow and I it's like I climb a ladder rung every year in my life and so I'm just really excited to see what I work towards by ten years from now or where my life is then, and I just, by the trend of every year gets better I will. I would love to just have that click button and hit ten years from now and just see what's going on.

Speaker 3:

I couldn't agree with you more. I mean and that's what's so cool, it's like I mean with that belief every year gets better. That's what you end up creating around you. Every year gets better.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:

I mean, I always forget like there's a decade between you and I, like age wise.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, how old are. How old are you? 34? Oh yeah, and I'm 24.

Speaker 3:

And you're 20. I didn't even know you were 22 during Big Brother, right?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I should I just turned?

Speaker 3:

23, but yeah just so that is funny.

Speaker 2:

I forgot that too. I feel like when I talk, yeah, you and you and Jasmine Like in a mirror.

Speaker 3:

She's my age too.

Speaker 2:

I forget you guys are like a decade older and that I should go show like it. It doesn't really even mean anything.

Speaker 3:

I can't wait to see you like a decade from now, because I just think, like I even just think about myself and like going throughout my 20s and where I am now, like I can attest, it gets so much better. And it makes me excited to like grow old, like I will never, you will never, ever, ever, ever. Hear me Like, be, like, oh, I'm getting older. This or that like I don't, I look forward to getting older.

Speaker 3:

I love exactly because it's like it's a life well lived. You just know more and more about what you want and and what you want to create, and I don't know. Life is a gift. I know everybody says that, but like it truly, truly is, and the app, the opportunity that we get to Create these things that we want to create, it's kind of like playing a video game. That's why I think it's like we play this game. It's like, yeah, what do we want to create with it?

Speaker 2:

You know it's like, okay, like the Sims is a recreation of life, but sometimes like back, like backwards. I feel like I'm just playing a Sims game and I'm like like, no matter what you do, I could ruin my life, but like you can get back on track. There's always a way to get back on track. And it's like, no matter what happens, it's not the end of the world.

Speaker 3:

That's what I'll. All the time I'll be working with clients and they'll, you know, be worried about something or, like, have anxiety about something, and we'll play the what if game. Right, so many worries come in like, well, what if this happened? What if that happened? What if that happened? And I always say, okay, well, let's answer that question. What if it happened? Oh, well, then I would do this. Okay, well then, what would you do after that? And we all, yeah, we keep going until we find where everything's okay. Because if you answer enough what if questions, you'll get to the other side. And I like to change the what if question to even if. So.

Speaker 3:

It's like yeah you might ask yourself what if I fail? It's like well, even if I fail, I'm gonna keep doing blah, blah, blah because it's just finding your way onto the other side of it, and very few things Can you like. Most the time you're gonna be able to find your way to the other side, no matter what happens.

Speaker 2:

Especially like, if you're not like raising somebody else, you're fine. Like you're fine like, granted, if I, if I had a child right now, I probably couldn't like drop everything and move to Montana, but like, given that I don't have that, I can do, that I could do, it doesn't matter right, and so there's so much more freedom and flexibility in that anyway, so yeah and if you do have children and you can't move to Montana, then I apologize not that you would want that anyway.

Speaker 3:

Right, yeah, my gosh Turner, like you were saying this, I just could talk to you all day about this stuff, but I just know so many people are just going to listen to this and just be inspired and if there was one, let's just close this out like if there's one piece of advice you could give to somebody who's wanting to start their own creative pursuit, wanting to start their own Business or follow their passions or their art or anything like that, what, what would you offer to them? What do you think is most important to keep in mind?

Speaker 2:

I think, especially if you're like beginning the process, like just start, you know like you just need to start. If I, when I was in high school, recording with a flip video camera that I got for like 50 bucks, like if I was waiting till I got all the equipment, if I was waiting until I got this or that, it's like it never would have happened. So you just need to start doing your thing. You're gonna figure it out along the way. Like if I was waiting to start making furniture until I had all the tools, I still wouldn't. I use like two tools when I would work and I don't think anyone would guess that, but like I don't have the proper Equipment I need, and so it's like you just need to start and so like, okay, I don't want this to come off wrong, but if you're asking a million questions to everybody else before you even start, it's like you're already three steps behind the next person who did start when you did. So you just need to Get going, especially if it's a creative endeavor, because it's like if you're asking tips from everybody and it's like a creative thing, it's like you don't want outside influences necessarily. I try to limit how much like of other people's reels I watch so that I'm not Influenced, and that's not to say it's bad to get influenced.

Speaker 2:

We were talking before and sorry to go on a whole nother tangent, but what I said was my in listen to this creator. If you're watching love, you I'm a huge fan. But there was this creator's name is a hundred thieves low and I'm a huge fan of this guy. I watch everything he puts out, which contradicts what I just said. But here I, when I first started making like content, content and I was like doing voiceovers, I would like watch his write the script, like okay, what would he say? And then I like got a real basis for like his content and I hate saying that cuz like it almost sounds like damn copyright infringement it. Then, over the course of a year, I made my own style of that and I don't know if everyone should be copying a hundred thieves Hello, sorry, bro, love yeah, but like that's just what I did and it worked out.

Speaker 3:

And now I'm my own wheels.

Speaker 3:

It's like, yeah, that's exactly, his is kind of to get your footing until you're like, oh wait, no, this is how I want to do it. To now, you know you've changed so much and found your own style and I mean I feel like you really taught me that, like when I was just kind of talking with you about like social media stuff, just like off the cuff in real life, it was like, oh, I think, especially in online businesses, like with coaches and hypnotherapy and stuff like that, like all the gurus are trying to like use this trending audio and do this, and like they're trying it, like they're just creating copies of each other, whereas I feel like you made such a great point that it's like I, I want to create something that's so uniquely me, and sure, we might get inspiration from other people as we're finding our unique voice. But once you find something that's so uniquely you, like I'm gonna go through my, my, I'm gonna be on social media and just be scrolling through reels, but when Turners pops up, like I know it's him.

Speaker 2:

You know, like yeah, because it's so unique.

Speaker 3:

I want to be different than everybody else. That's how you get attention, not be the same and trending and all this other stuff.

Speaker 2:

Like how, who have you seen with a bucket hat on a liquid death hat? I don't know why I've been doing this this week, but the the bucket hat on the trucker hat, it's my new thing, it's gonna be a thing someday. Maybe my friends are like can you like pick a hat? I'm like no, I I've started something and I can't go back.

Speaker 3:

You can't go back. You saw it here first.

Speaker 2:

Turner yeah, thank you, so yeah offering all this stuff.

Speaker 3:

This has been. I can't wait to personally go back and listen to all this, just because it's. It's just inspiring to get to Hear kind of the mindset that you apply to all these things and guys. I mean, it's, it works.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly works and you're an example of it. So likewise also, I would like to give you your flowers. I really do love what you do and I'm I'm very proud to be able to call you a friend of mine, and so thank you for having me on the podcast. You're the goat. And also, when I was watching all the other episodes as I go, I wonder I wonder what my intro outro is gonna be. So I'm excited to hear my intro. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:

That's so much fun. Well, I appreciate it. I know sometimes you know how BB people are. We all have our people that like watch out for us online and I'll get like this mattering of messages. It's like Turner talked about you in his live and they'll like send me the little clip and it's like always something super kind and I'm like thank you, like that really makes my day and, yeah, you know, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2:

Of course.

Speaker 3:

Turner, here's your outro. What do you think? I thought that was funny that you wanted to see what your intro and outro would be. I hope I do it justice. But before we go any further, I just want to say thank you, turner, for coming on to the show, and I'd especially like to say just one more thing. Thanks for your comments. Am I getting too much pleasure from saying that? Is it too soon? No, I freaking love that guy.

Speaker 3:

Did you guys notice what I was talking about? About how he thinks differently, whereas I feel like so many other people might be like that's gonna take too long or I can't do that, or that's for other people, but not me. He just goes and does it. He just goes and does it, and he started before you've ever even thought that it was time for you to start right. He believes in himself and he's not afraid to put in the work because he finds joy in the process. You know it's so funny.

Speaker 3:

I'm teaching this group hypnotherapy and coaching course right now To this incredible group of people. If you missed joining the course, I hope you'll have a chance to join us in some future round. But that this actually comes up a lot in our course is how can we fall in love with the process of Manifesting more than the result? How can we love to create the content, create the furniture, create the whatever, more than how many likes or followers or brand deals we might have? It doesn't mean you can't like those things, you can love those things, but you have to fall in love with the process. You have to want to do it again and again and again, because, guess what? The journey of our manifestation is 99.99% of our life. So if we don't like that we're just waiting for the time that we get the followers, we get the money or we get the whatever, you're gonna live a pretty miserable life and, honestly, you probably aren't even gonna have the alignment and the mindset necessary to even create that result to begin with.

Speaker 3:

So notice how he doesn't even bat an eye when he says that it might take years to reach certain goals. He's like he's. He's not like, oh, that's gonna take forever, I guess I won't do it. No, he's like, yeah, that's what it takes. He recognizes that that's the name of the game. He knows that all the videos, all the furniture, all the rugs, anything that he does throughout those years Will build up to that vision that he had in mind. So he gets to work.

Speaker 3:

So I just want to thank you to ravelers for joining us here today on this journey towards destination Manifestation. You are absolutely amazing. I love that you're here. I love that we can manifest together and if you haven't done so already, be sure to subscribe to the podcast if you've enjoyed this episode, if you learned something interesting about what it means to have a creative mindset, you can certainly learn more by subscribing to the show.

Speaker 3:

Seriously, even big brother interviews like these, which we've had several on the show by now there I feel like and I know I'm biased, but I feel like they're really unlike any other conversation You'll hear about big brother that's out there, because it all has to do with the mindset behind the player, the houseguest, and who they are and how they think in real life and getting to know Kind of the true essence of them, and I think that's why the interviews are so successful. You don't see other people asking these kind of questions out there, and so I hope you enjoyed it, regardless if you're a big brother fan or not. All music on this podcast is by a cubed and remember, if you believe that life will continue to get better and better each and every year.

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You'll find it's gonna find evidence that that will be true. And then guess what? Your life will get better and better every single year.

Speaker 1:

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, waiting for me to grow as it is.